11 | 4 of Pentacles is not what it's made to be

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Hello, magical beings and creatures of the forest.

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Welcome to the Tarot and More podcast.

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I'm your host, Gosha,

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and today I want to talk about a card, a particular card.

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So do a deep dive into one of the Tarot cards.

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And it may seem like a. Not a very obvious

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choice because it's not a major arcana and it's a card which doesn't get that much

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attention usually.

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And it's four of pentacles,

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and four of pentacles is usually seen as a card which in my opinion is quite

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misunderstood because it's traditionally seen as the card of greed,

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of scarcity, of financial insecurity, of money hoarding,

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perhaps possessiveness,

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also stubbornness.

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And if even the interpretation is a bit more generous,

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then that card would talk about stability,

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of having exactly as much as you need,

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having enough, perhaps, but not as much,

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not much extra,

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not enough to share.

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It talks about material stability.

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And I just think it is very, very limiting.

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And I'm not the only person who thinks it's

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limiting.

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I think there is.

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There are many people now who are looking at this card in a broader way.

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In general,

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pentacles as a suit are connected to the element of Earth.

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And for some reason,

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that very often translates as finances,

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as money,

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as if our earthly possessions were only about money.

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And I don't think they are.

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And to me,

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Earth, the element of Earth,

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brings to mind abundance far more than material possessions.

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And I think that abundance is actually something completely, completely opposite to

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scarcity.

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Right.

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So, yeah,

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that is a card which I actually quite like.

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And that's why.

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That's why it hurts me a bit that it very often comes up in interpretations in

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guidebooks for various decks as a card of greed, of fear, of losing.

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Right.

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It could be also a card of selfishness.

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And at the same time, we can think about selfishness as,

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you know, something does not necessarily always have to be negative,

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Right.

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It can be also about our boundaries.

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And,

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yes, so we are.

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We are getting closer to the interpretation

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that I think is more resonating to me at least.

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But also, boundaries don't necessarily have to be financial.

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Right? And if we are, let's get back to this notion

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of the element of Earth and of being very firmly planted on Earth and about our

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possessions, about our material world.

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Right?

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So we are on Earth.

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We are very much rooted and deeply planted.

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We are not,

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you know, floating in the air.

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We are not swimming in the ocean.

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We are on Earth.

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We are Earth creatures.

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And at the same time,

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we don't have to be concerned Only and necessarily with possessions, with actual

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physical possession, as in things.

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Or is it money that it's actually,

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you know, money is made up.

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It's a social construct.

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We. We agreed at some point that we give money certain value, and we all agreed that money

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has certain value, but that's.

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That is a social construct is entirely made up.

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When we think about possessions, actual earthly possessions,

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we should be thinking more about what actually exists in the world, what is not made up, what

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is,

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you know, the earth under our feet,

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the nature which surrounds us, other people that surround us,

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the actual richness of the world,

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as in material, as in things we can touch, things we can taste, things we can hug.

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And in that way, I think that, you know, a tree is far more tangible and far more real

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than $100.

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So maybe let's agree that we'll think about our possessions, about earthly possessions as

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things that surround us in nature, the other people.

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But it's also our own body,

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our own bodies very much real,

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very much alive, very much planted on earth.

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Yeah, let's think about four of Pentacles as the card of boundaries, the card of bodily

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boundaries.

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And this is actually the interpretation which

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comes from the school of tarot, the soul tarot,

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and as it is taught by Lindsay Mack, who is my teacher,

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and I very much love it.

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I love this interpretation of four of

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pentacles as a card of boundaries, boundaries in our own body and protecting our physical

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boundaries and our emotional boundaries.

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Right. So what I would like to do is to have a look at 21 different decks on 21 different

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fours of pentacles from different decks by different artists and see how they represent

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four of pentacles.

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And what comes to mind when we look at pictures which are very different and which

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are representing.

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Yeah, they are totally different.

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I will tell you about all of them.

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And also you can see them as pictures on my blog,

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which is linked in the show notes.

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And you can see they are completely different.

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And they are representing.

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They are representing similar ideas, but in a way that invites a very different

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interpretation.

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And it invites a very different set of

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thoughts and associations.

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And therefore, you know, some of those decks, I feel like they are resonating with me far

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more.

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And actually, four of Pentacles is one of

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those cards I look at when I'm choosing a deck.

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And it very much informs my relationship with this deck and whether I find it welcoming deck

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for me to read with.

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I will have one more.

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I will have 22 decks because I realized that I completely forgot about my newest deck.

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Okay.

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So let's have a look.

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So the first one is going to be obviously the classic Smith Rider Waite card with

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illustration by Pamela Coleman Smith.

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And that is the one we all know.

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It's a miserable man sitting and hugging a

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pentacle and having two feet planted on two more pentacles.

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And the fourth one is just above his head,

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and he's sitting and kind of holding onto those coins.

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And this is the most classic picture of someone who is holding money, who is worried.

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He's worried about his possessions.

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And these are definitely coins.

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So,

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yeah, we look at him, and we think that is someone who is worried he's gonna lose his

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money and who feels scarcity, who is not very financially secure.

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Maybe it's just in his head because he actually has enough money,

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but he feels like he doesn't, and he needs to protect it at all cost.

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So, yeah, that is probably, you know,

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I'm bowing to Pamela Coleman Smith.

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But at the same time, I think we are past that.

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It's been a long time, and I think in modern decks,

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we can get past it and we can present this card in a different way.

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But many decks are still kind of showing this card in a. In a traditional way, as in, there

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is a man and there is money.

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And some of those decks are beautiful, and I love them.

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Just looking at four of them.

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Yeah, four decks that show a man.

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The fourth one actually shows a figure which can be either a man or a woman.

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It's a bit of an abstract figure, but is shown in the same fashion.

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So these decks are the Book of Shadows by Andrea Aster,

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the Solar Kingdom Tarot by Tanya Moss,

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and Tarot Louisville by Sonia Belazkova,

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and Midnight City Tarot by Jackie Galena.

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And they are beautiful.

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I love those decks.

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And at the same time, they are showing four of coins, four of pentacles, because in case of

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the Book of Shadows and the Midnight City Tarot,

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they actually are calling this suit coins.

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They all show a man that holds on to money.

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And probably the one in the Louisville Tarot seems the most secure and sort of chilled all

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the others, and particularly the Midnight City Tarot figure, because that is not obviously a

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man, a figure who is sitting on New York subway, because Midnight City Tarot is a deck

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inspired by New York.

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So everything there on those cards is happening in New York.

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So we've got this figure sitting on New York subway with a toad bag and just holding on for

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their dear life to this tote bag.

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On Taro Louisville, we have a man sitting on kind of a golden chair, like a throne.

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But he.

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He doesn't look like a king.

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He looks like just old man in a cloak.

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And he's holding onto.

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Not actually coins, but he's holding onto some

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big balls of gold, really.

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And then in Solar Kingdom Tarot, we have a king.

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We have a king who is just hugging his coins, Pentacles.

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And then in the Book of Shadows, we also have a king.

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We have a king holding in his arms all four of coins.

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So,

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yeah, I don't love this imagery, despite of there was.

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All of them are beautiful and the illustrations are gorgeous and in a completely

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different style.

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Each of them and all are beautiful,

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but I don't love this imagery.

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This idea of this man holding onto his

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possessions for their life, it doesn't bring to mind to me, doesn't bring to mind

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boundaries,

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bodily boundaries.

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It does bring to mind greed and financial

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insecurity.

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So I'm not loving this interpretation.

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Then we have.

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Still, we are in this realm of hoarding and holding and withholding from others.

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And we have the absolutely lovely deck, which is called Everybody's Tarot by Sarah Kathleen.

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I have the mini version.

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It's tiny.

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It's like super tiny, cute cards.

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But the imagery is the same on the standard

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size and on this mini one.

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And we don't have actual people, we have like little blobs.

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The creatures like blobs.

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And in this one, there is a pink blob creature

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who is in one hand holding four coins above their head and with the other hand they

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blocking two little blobs who are trying to climb up and see what.

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What's there.

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So it's.

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It's not.

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It's like really very much protecting your possessions and withholding your money from

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someone else.

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So again, Everybody's Tarot is super cute, super cute.

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But I'm not loving this vision of this card.

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The next one is very abstract, is Sabotage Tarot by Sonia Sabotage.

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And this is a very particular deck.

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I quite like Major Arcana in this deck,

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not so much the Minas, because I think they are very pippish.

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And,

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you know, there's nothing wrong with pip cards being very pip cards, but I think that it's

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not necessarily the.

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The style I like the most.

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And this four of pentacles is basically, there are no people, no animals, no nothing like

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that on it.

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There is one big coin, big pentacle,

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and it's wrapped in a chain and there is padlock on this chain.

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So this is very much protecting something.

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And because there is no person, there is no

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human being hoarding anything.

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It actually makes me like it a bit more.

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I had a very.

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Yeah, the first, My first.

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When I started, like, thinking about this episode, my first thought was like, no, I

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don't like this card.

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I think that's.

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That, that's the first one.

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I don't like this vision of four of pentacles.

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But actually I like it more than I do those men protecting their money because this one.

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Because there is no people.

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There are no people.

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This one is easier to be seen as protecting boundaries that could be physically or body

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boundaries.

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It's more open to this interpretation.

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So,

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yeah,

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that's quite,

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quite right.

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Oh, actually,

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I would like to quote something now.

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This is quote from the booklet from the

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Texture tarot by Lisa McLaughlin and the textured Tarot is the very first deck I've

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ever bought, I've ever got.

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No, sorry.

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As a teenager, I had Tarot de Marseille.

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But as an adult, for the first time, when I actually got interested in Tarot,

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that is the first deck I ever got.

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And it was quite, quite a cool story of

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getting it because I bought it when just as the lockdown, the first lockdown started in

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2020 and London was empty.

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We were not allowed to leave unless there was a very valid reason.

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And the Lisa who made this, this tarot, she also lives in London, but on a very end from

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where I live.

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Like, literally you can't go anywhere further

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and still be in London.

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And this is a big, very big city.

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So I couldn't go on public transport.

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We were not allowed to take public transport

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because you had to be away from other people.

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So I drove, I drove.

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I was on my own in the car and I drove and the streets were completely empty.

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You never see London empty.

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Never.

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That's the only day in my life when I saw empty streets in London.

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And it was absolutely bizarre experience.

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And we couldn't meet.

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So because you were, you know, that was like literally first days of lockdown, you didn't

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know what's going on.

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So Lisa left the deck on her porch and left the porch door open.

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So I just paid her online and I came and picked up the parcel from her porch and just

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went back to the car and messaged her.

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Well, yeah, I collected the cards and then drove again for over an hour back home.

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So,

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yeah,

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it was quite a magical, to be honest, experience.

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So, yeah, Texture Tarot. Texture Tarot is one of my favorite decks and I will get to the

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card, to the four of Pentacles in Texture Tarot, obviously.

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And it's a card which I really very much like and I will tell you why later.

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But I would like to read from the booklet that Lisa made for this deck.

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And this is quite an interesting booklet because the her creative decision was to not

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to put any interpretations,

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any kind of her own vision for the card and her own interpretation or any interpretation

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which from is from a particular school of thought in Tarot,

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basically she put like bullet points, like words, just phrases, words, adjectives and

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nouns which she collected from various sources.

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Anything that she could find that would correspond to this particular card.

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So sometimes.

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And from different schools of thought from

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different books from different sources.

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So sometimes you may think that those

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descriptions are quite opposite,

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like they are relating to quite opposite concepts.

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But actually when read together they are creating an interesting picture of an

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interpretation of this card.

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So let me find four of Pentacles and I'll read you what Lisa found about this card.

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Saving,

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increased financial and material worth and power.

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Selfishness,

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stubborn frugality,

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Greed,

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control.

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Gifts for money management.

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Closed off hoarding,

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boxed in,

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miser.

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Suspicion,

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self worth,

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Emptiness,

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believing your way is only way.

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Limited viewpoint,

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penny pinching,

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Fierce determination,

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structure and meaning to chaos,

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security,

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new money,

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ambition.

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So depending on,

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you know, what you value in life in general,

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you may have different associations with it, but to me they are in general quite negative

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things.

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And yet at the same time, the card itself is not negative to me.

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When I saw this card, I just liked it straight away,

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before I even opened this booklet.

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And that was my first Tarot deck.

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I really knew very little about particular Tarot cards.

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But before I tell you about the textured Tarot four of Pentacles, I want to tell you about a

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couple of others,

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just because they kind of relate in a way.

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So it's another type of imagery.

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We chose an animal who is associated with

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hoarding and with guarding and it's a dragon.

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So the card I'm looking at now comes from the

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Forgotten Legends Tarot by Velga North.

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There is a dragon who is lying on a pile of gold coins.

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And I actually love this dragon.

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I love it.

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It's very,

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very cute.

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Like very,

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I don't know, not very scary.

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And the same concept of a dragon and a pile of money is going to be used on two decks which

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are now in development,

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in production.

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One is the Tarot of Cross Destinies by Andrea Asta and the other is Cosmic Sunbeam Tarot by

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Lailah Honeysett.

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Both of them have the dragon with money on it and especially in the Cosmic Sunbeam Tarot

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which is very, very friendly and sort of childlike in its imagery because it was

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designed with anxious people in mind.

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So it was designed not to be scary, not to be,

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you know, just off putting in a way that it would bring associations with something scary.

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I think that's probably the best word.

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So it's very, very cute.

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And obviously the dragon in those.

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In these deck is also super cute.

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And the dragon in Tarot of Cross Destinies is really fun.

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And the dragon in the Forgotten Legends Tarot is also just beautiful.

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And also those dragons are guarding the money.

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So again, they bring to mind maybe scarcity

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and greed and fear of losing.

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I don't.

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I kind of don't see them that way.

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Maybe I just forgive animals more than I forgive people.

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I think that could be that animals are allowed to hoard and be worried that something will be

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taken from them.

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I'm not sure.

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But the dragon is.

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I like the dragon.

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I like this concept of the dragon on this card.

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And there is another deck Frog Tarot, which I've got in front of me.

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And there is a frog which is sitting on a pile of coins.

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So I would put this frog in the same realm as the dragon, because Frog Tarot is, as the name

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suggests, all about frogs.

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And there are frogs on each card.

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So no wonder that there is no dragon there.

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There is a frog in it.

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But I would say this is the same.

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The same type of image.

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And now we are getting to the one which I mentioned before, which is a textured tarot,

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because we've got an animal as well here.

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And this one is very different.

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It is the only deck which shows this animal.

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And this is a bull.

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This is a bull, which in this image is at the same time a piggy bank,

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so to speak,

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because there is money falling into the bulls.

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The little hole on bull's back.

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So. So it's.

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It's sort of a porcelain ball which.

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A ceramic ball which has.

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Which serves as a. As a piggy bank bully bunk.

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And I just love this image.

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Like I said, that was my first deck.

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So this was my first encounter with this card

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really properly.

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I never had a traditional Smith Rider Waite deck.

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I always had indie decks and that was the first one.

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So I think I like it because I liked it straight away and I like it still because I'm

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Taurus.

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Taurus is my sign and it's an earth sign.

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And it just spoke to me straight away.

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The Taurus in it, the bull, the Taurus.

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And I don't know, it's just Very hard.

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Very hard for me to tell because, like I said, I read,

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read from this booklet attached to this deck.

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And like I told you,

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I think that what the booklet describes is quite negative, but I never, ever had a

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negative association with this card.

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I just love it.

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I love the book, but I think it's.

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It's a lot because of my sign.

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So that was a little foray into animals.

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And we're going back to people now.

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Okay, the first of the remaining people I want

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to talk about comes from the Tarot of Colors by Caroline Zing.

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It's interesting because the human figure on this card actually looks like he's losing

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money.

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He looks like a man.

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Like a figure of a man.

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All those figures, all the humans in this deck are very tiny and very stuff, like, kind of

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symbolic.

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Like, not.

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They are not very realistic.

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They are just like little shadows, and they

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are very tiny in the vast landscape of color.

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So he's very tiny, and the colors around him are beige and brown and black.

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They are very earthy.

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Again, we are connected to earth here.

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And the man is walking in very bottom of the card, and there are four coins which look like

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they are falling out of his pockets.

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Like, literally, this is what it looks like.

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Like the man is losing the money.

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His hands in his.

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Looks like he's got hands in his pockets.

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And there are four coins falling out of these pockets.

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And I love it.

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That is the,

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you know,

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antithesis of what we were talking about, of greed and hoarding and not wanting to part

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with anything.

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He's actually very freely parting that.

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To me, it's.

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It's how it looks like, which is, I would say,

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quite.

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Quite an interesting interpretation.

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So I like this card very, very much.

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And then we are still staying with people,

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but I don't know if you paid attention to it, but when I was talking about those cards

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before, I was talking about men.

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Men sitting and holding their coins.

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And now we've got five decks where there is a woman doing kind of the same thing because

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they all have money around them or in case of one, stones,

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but, you know, some kind of four or stars.

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Stars, stones or coins,

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but something.

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Something they are holding on to.

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And yet in all those five pictures, although they are very different,

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very different in style,

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but those women seem relaxed,

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seem like.

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You look at them and you don't think they are

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protecting their material possessions.

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They seem like they are protecting their boundaries.

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So the first one comes from the High Tarot by Dan Francis.

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And the high tarot is quite interesting because it kind of is illustrated like an

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oracle.

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Each card has a picture which doesn't

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necessarily has to be associated in a traditional way with the tarot card which it

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sits on.

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And it always has a word, a name for this card, which is not,

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not a name of the tarot card.

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I mean, it has both.

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So in this case it's four of pentacles, but it's also the witch.

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And we've got a woman dressed in black and she's got four stars on the front of her cloak

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and she's smiling, she's very relaxed,

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very mysterious.

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She has this kind of Mona Lisa smile and she's

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totally relaxed.

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She's not holding anything, she's not worried,

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she's not scared of losing anything.

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Yeah, she's just chilled and self assured.

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Looks like a person who has her boundaries

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defined and knows how to protect them.

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And on another card, which I'm looking at now,

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which,

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although the style of the, of the drawing is completely different,

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but it has the same vibe, the deck is called Fioetoviesne,

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which means purple dreams in Russian.

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It's a Russian author of this deck and I forgot her name now.

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I think she's called Satyana.

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But I don't have a box with me here.

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So yeah, that's gonna be written on the blog.

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And there is like a hippie style woman with

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long purple hair and flowers in her hair and sort of flowy hippie style clothing.

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And around her there are four pentacles with lotus flowers.

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Four lotus flowers supporting those pentacles.

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And she sits cross legged like in a lotus

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position,

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totally chilled again, like the witch from the high tarot.

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Chilled,

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self assured,

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relaxed.

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She knows what she's about and she knows how

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to protect herself.

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And these lotuses and these pentacles are more like, you know, magic that protects her rather

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than any kind of money or coins.

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So I love those two pictures.

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Then we've got the gentle tarot by Mari in the sky.

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And in the gentle tarot suit of pentacles is called stones.

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So it's four of stones.

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And there is a woman sitting in like a field,

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green field with flowers.

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And she has four stones in front of her and

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she is resting her hands on the stones and she's definitely like, you know, has the vibe.

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These are my stones.

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But I really like.

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I'm going to read from the booklet which comes

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with it and I really like what Marie wrote about this card.

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So let's read it together.

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I protect my body, my space and my identity.

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The four of stones contemplates boundaries?

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Do you feel safe in your emotional and mental space?

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Am I in need of extra buffers to protect myself?

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Who we are, what is important to us and what we choose to believe in should not be dictated

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by another person, by society or by our families.

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Our sense of self is sacred and feeling safe with ourselves is integral to our experience

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on this earth.

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This most often means protecting who we are and learning to manage what energy enters our

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sphere and what energy is kept out.

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The challenges and the hard feelings teach us exactly what we need to define our boundaries

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and to define who we are.

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So yeah,

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I think that summarizes this picture and the two I described before very, very well.

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A similar thing.

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I'm just looking at the books I have with me.

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Let me have a look at another one which is written by Beth Maiden.

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It's called all of Our Stories and it also relates in a very similar way as Mary's

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booklet in a very similar way to this card.

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Because what Beth says is the four of pentacles means protecting what is yours.

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This card can go one of two ways.

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It's either about greed or it's about self

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care.

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Either way it's highlighting focus on self and

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that's, that's the whole two pages of a chapter.

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I'm not gonna read all of that.

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But there is a lot about greed in, in, in this

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description.

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But there is also a lot about the healthy

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protection of what's ours.

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So again, I think the another two cards, the, the last two women I want to talk about,

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they are protecting what's theirs but in a healthy, self assured way.

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And in that case, in case of those two cards, I think it could be also about money.

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On one of them actually there is a whole big pile of money.

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It's like whole bags of money.

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And at the same time they are just so kind of sure of their boundaries and sure of the way

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how they look is, is just so,

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so different than the men who seem to be worried that something will be taken away from

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them.

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So one of the decks is called Self Love Tarot

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and it's by Hannah Tricoir.

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There is a woman on it who's got four hands and in each hand there is a coin and she's

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kind of juggling them.

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And the last card comes from the blue Tarot by a Ukrainian artist called Katerina.

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And it's a very, very new deck which just came out on Kickstarter.

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I just got it and it's wonderful.

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It's just so beautiful and so beautifully made

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that it's Unbelievable.

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And on this picture, we've got a woman in a turban and in a kind of traditional Bedouin

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style clothing.

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And she has a bag of gold coins in front of her and more bags of coins behind her.

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And she's just sitting there and holding this bag, but she's smiling.

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She has a very, very welcoming face,

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very friendly,

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very beautiful.

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And yeah,

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you know, she's.

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I mean, I'm not sure if,

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if she would share the money,

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but she's definitely not worried that anything is gonna, you know, be taken away from.

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From it.

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She,

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you know, she may be ready to share.

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So. So, yeah, the women on those cards, to me, they give out a completely different vibe than

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the men.

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But, okay, we have one more card with a person on it,

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but it is different because it relates very directly to the Soul Tarot interpretation I

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told you about at the very beginning, which is created by Lindsay Mark, this whole school of

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thought.

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And this card comes from the Tarot of the Holy Spectrum by Chase Voorhees.

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And Chase is in the private life husband of Lindsay Mack.

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So obviously there is a lot of influence of Soul Tarot in the Tarot of the Holy Spectrum

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deck.

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And this card, I really, really like the descript, the imagery on it.

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There is a person, and the person is lying on the grass and has one pentacle on their chest.

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And their hands are resting on this pentacle and there are trees growing around.

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So this person is lying on the grass surrounded by three big trees,

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and there is a pentacle on each of these three.

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And the person is totally relaxed, lying down,

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facing up, looking at the sky, you know, with purple hair.

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I have the deck, the addition I'm looking at at the moment.

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It is the Infinity edition of the Tarot of the Holy Spectrum.

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So it has very vibrant colors.

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Person on this picture has purple hair and they're just chilled.

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They.

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They are.

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They are looking after their body.

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They are looking after their mental state and

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mental health.

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They are protecting their mental and emotional

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boundaries.

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It's very, very clear from this card.

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And I really, really like this imagery.

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Okay, we are saying goodbye to people now.

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We've got only animals and plants left,

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and we've got five more decks to look at.

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Well, animals, plants, and sort of abstract nature.

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These are the ones I really love.

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I really, really relate to the best.

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I actually relate to, I think, better to the decks which I have no people on.

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So the first one is four of pentacles from the Bird King Tarot by Lida Pavlova.

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And Faust.

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And it shows a squirrel sitting in the hole in a tree trunk.

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And yes, we may think, yeah, the squirrel.

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And the squirrel is holding an acorn and

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protecting it and sort of sitting hidden in a hole protecting the tree trunk.

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But there is something really sweet about it and there is something very aligned with

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nature.

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I mean, it's autumn.

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It looks this.

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This picture looks like autumn.

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So it's the time.

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It's the time to hoard enough food so we can

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survive winter.

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And squirrels know it very, very well.

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I've got loads of squirrels where I live in London, and we've got tons of gray squirrels

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here.

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And I live by very big park.

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And the squirrels in autumn,

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what they do is they.

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I have planters in front of my house with

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plants growing in, with herbs and flowers growing in them.

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And squirrels always dig out my bulb, tulip bulbs.

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I don't have any tulips this year.

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The squirrels just dig them out and instead

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they plant acorns.

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They just swap my Tully bulbs for acorns.

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And that is not the same thing.

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I then very sadly have to pull out young oaks

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growing.

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And I really, really feel really bad about it.

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But I cannot have an oak growing in a planter, in a small wooden planter in front of my

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house.

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But I could have had tulips, except I don't have them because squirrels stole them anyway.

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They exchanged them for acorns.

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So, yeah, this squirrel on the picture is a red squirrel.

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Because this whole deck is inspired by Eastern Europe and Slavic imagery.

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And in Eastern Europe, we've got red squirrels.

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But. Yeah, same vibe.

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Same vibe.

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But I absolutely adore this squirrel.

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I. It's.

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It's one of my favorite cards in this deck.

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Absolutely.

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Then we've got a card from the Earth Steward deck,

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which is the most abstract, I think, out of all of the decks.

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It doesn't have any humans, any animals on it.

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It has a landscape with colors.

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And we've got those two lines, like kind of serpents of color rising from a ground or

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rising from a cloud.

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It's kind of hard to say.

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It could be a cloud, and there is sun in the

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middle,

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and those two colorful serpents are creating a boundary around this sun.

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I mean, it's very difficult to describe.

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That's.

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The picture is on the block, so you can.

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You can have a look.

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But that is.

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That just brings to mind boundaries.

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Very abstract and very gentle way of presenting boundaries.

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And I really like it.

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I really like.

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There is nothing about money on it and nothing about hoarding anything.

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It's like pure,

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pure boundaries.

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And then we've got three left.

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We've got honey and lavender tarot by Lida Pavlova and Xie.

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And it's such a sweet picture.

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I mean, I just fell in love when I saw it.

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I was really curious when I opened this deck how four of pentacles is going to be pictured.

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And I did not like, didn't expect that.

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There is a little house and it's really cute.

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It's very small.

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It's like humble house.

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And there are four geese walking towards this house and there is a very pretty plant growing

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on the front.

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The house is like in the forest.

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There is some rose.

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I think it's a dog rose growing on the front.

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And those four geese who are just walking towards the house.

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Oh, there it is.

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The booklet for honey and lavender tarot.

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And I just read to you what Lida wrote about

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this card.

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This humble house is not much,

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but it gives shelter to its inhabitants.

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Beautiful flowers and healthy geese show that even the simple things can be a blessing.

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And I really like it because it kind of shows that it's kind of less about boundaries but

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more about enoughness.

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Right?

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We've got enough and we can chill and we can relax and you can see that you can be totally

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happy in this tiny house.

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So yeah, I like that interpretation very much as well.

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And then we've got Winged blooms Tarot by Caroline Zink.

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And this is the same artist who created the tarot of colors and the winged bloom.

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Tarot is a very particular deck because it only shows flowers and birds.

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So major arcana are birds and flowers and the minor arcana are just flowers.

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So each card has a different plant and 4 of pentacles is pomegranate blossom.

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And that's just it.

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Beautiful picture of pomegranate.

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Pomegranate blossom.

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But what is really cool about this deck is that despite of its very non traditional

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imagery,

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it's also quite suitable for beginners because it has those interpretations, like very basic.

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One line of interpretation on the front of the card and what it says about 4 of pentacles is

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I hold, yet I must give Pomegranate blossom, rich with seeds, reflects the balance between

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holding and releasing.

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And that is beautiful.

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I think I'll leave it at that.

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And I'll tell you about the last card which comes again from Lisa McLaughlin who is the

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author of the textured tarot talked before about.

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And this is her newest deck which is called Tarot Golimophy.

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And I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing this word correctly because that is some, I think very

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British English word which is very old fashioned and means chaos, I think.

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I don't know, but because I've never heard it spoken by anyone.

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It's a very abstract word chosen for this deck and I only, I've only seen it written, so

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forgive me.

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Golly Moffrie.

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It looks like Golly Murphy.

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Anyway.

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And this is like a collage,

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collage of photos and illustrations and it's just gorgeous.

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I mean the cards are really big.

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They are very, very big.

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They're sort of ultra size rather than.

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Yeah, they are not that like, in my opinion, they are not that comfortable to shuffle and

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to use as in, as in manipulate.

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But they are great for seeing what's on there.

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They are really big.

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So it's, it's very easy to see what's on the picture.

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It's like underlining the art a lot.

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So I like that.

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And in this deck there is.

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The suits have the different names.

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So pentacles is Earth.

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I mean, sorry, it's Wild Earth.

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It's Wild Earth.

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Everything is wild.

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So it's Wild Earth for the pentacles,

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Wild wind for swords,

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Wild Water for cups and Wild Ember for once.

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So definitely very direct relationship with the elements which are related to those cards.

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So yeah, so we are on The Wild Earth 4.

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And we've got a squirrel again, we've got a squirrel, we've got a tortoise,

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we've got moss and we've got a bird.

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Tree trunk cut down.

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And we have mushrooms and acorns.

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I just want to read to you as to just finish

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this episode with reading from Tarot Golly booklet by Lisa McLoughlin.

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In your quest for stability,

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the strength and resilience of the oak tree mirror your own unwavering determination.

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Like the squirrel, you exhibit foresight, diligently safeguarding resources and

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preparing for leaner times.

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The ancient bristlecone pine is a testament to perseverance, embodying wisdom accumulated

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through centuries of survival in harsh climates.

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With its penchant for collecting shiny objects, the magpie reflects your attraction

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to material wealth, emphasizing the importance of discerning true value from mere glitter.

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Below.

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The stone crop thrives in rocky soils, a

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symbol of making the most of any circumstance.

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Yet it cautions against clinging too tightly to security,

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which may stifle growth.

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Moss coating the forest floor symbolizes adaptability and the ability to thrive under

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varied conditions.

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But it also warns against complacency and the dangers of too much comfort.

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The tortoise,

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encased in its shell, offers lessons in protection and longevity,

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but suggests the risks of becoming too isolated or resistant to change.

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Together, these symbols craft a narrative about building a solid foundation while

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remaining flexible enough to adapt and grow,

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reminding you that proper stability involves balance and openness to life's changes.

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And I think this is the most beautiful way to end it because I don't think there is a nicer

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and more beautiful Description of the 4 of pentacle cards.

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So I'm leaving you with the words of Lisa McLoughlin and let me know if you like these

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deep dives.

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I am aware that it probably works better as a

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video.

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I mean, definitely when you talk about cards, it works better if you can see them.

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But I'm not much of a video person.

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And yeah, for now it's gonna be audio descriptions with pictures on the blog.

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But let me know, let me know what you think.

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I know that I will, I will want to do more of that.

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I will want to show you different decks and talk about the interpretations of the cards in

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relation to how they are envisioned by different artists.

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And that makes me think that perhaps,

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yeah, perhaps there is a space for actually a video podcast as well in this, in the way, how

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I'm talking about the cards.

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But yeah, I very much welcome your thoughts.

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There is the best way to contact me.

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So email me and my contact details are in the

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show notes.

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It's helloasvistas.co.uk so yeah, reach out.

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I read all messages and I'm really very happy to receive them.

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And the other way to contact me is via the contact form on my shop's website, which is

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lasvistas.co.uk and some of the cards, I mean most, to be honest, most of the decks I was

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talking about, you can buy them from me from Last Vistas Shop.

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The links are in the show notes and there is a discount code podcast, 10 for 10% off for the

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podcast listeners.

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So if you love one of those decks or more than one,

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you're welcome, very much welcome to use the discount code.

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Okay. I'm not sure what's going to be in the next episode.

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We'll see.

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In the meantime, stay magical.

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Sa.